On the issue of the missing jet engines which seems to be a favourite subject of one poster :
Anon 2:51 of this article
On missing jet engines: Are they not of public concern and injustice to corrupt away taxpayers' money> Why this issue is said to be not very important to MCA. It is really ridiculous. So what can MCA do if it can't do little thingshow can it perform slighly bigger thing. Pleae humble up?
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As I mention earlier it seems there's one particular anon who likes to bring up issues of no importance to MCA . I didn't want to waste my time answering him but I like to post this to show his shallow thinking and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill just like all DAP or PKR cybertroopers who cling and inhibit onto certain blogs like parasites hoping to suck the host dry .
Public concern ? oh yes every criminal act is of public concern . The military brass , the police and the defence ministry is leaving no quarters untutrn to find out who the culprits are . Need the MCA get involved ? I don't so since its Minister is not from the MCA .
Corrupt away taxpayers money ? Looks like this joker can't differentiate between corruption and stealing . This is a very clear cut case of stealing obsolete military hardware for sale and making a fast buck out of it .
The planes have been in service since 1972 and were in the midst of being phased out and replace by more advance fighter planes .
F-5E
Wingspan: 26 ft 8 in
Top speed: 1,082 mph
Range: 1,543 miles ferry with maximum fuel. Combat radius with maximum fuel and 2 Sidewinder missiles 656 miles
Powerplant: two 5,000-lb afterburning thrust General Electric J85-GE-21 B turbojets
Weight: 9,723 lbs empty, 24,722 lbs. max. take off
Ceiling: 51,800 ft.
Armament: Two 20 mm M39 cannon with 280 rounds per gun; provision for 3175 kg (7,000 Ib) of disposable stores, including Sidewinder AAMs, ASMs, free-fall bombs, cluster bombs, dispenser weapons, rocket-launcher pods, cannon pods, drop tanks and ECM pods carried on five external hardpoints and two wing tip missile rails
Operators: Bahrain, Brazil, Chile, Honduras, Indonesia, Iran, Jordan, Kenya, Malaysia, Mexico, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Korea, Sudan, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand, Tunisia, USA, Yemen
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-5.htm
http://members.tripod.com/Wobert/f5.html
http://aeroweb.brooklyn.cuny.edu/specs/northrop/f-5e.htm
http://www.airforce-technology.com/contractors/modifications/elbit/
http://www.iai.co.il/dows/dows/Serve/item/English/1.6.2.6.html
http://www.dercoaerospace.com/F5upgrade/default.asp
Sao Paulo Gazeta Mercantil - January 24, 2002 Article on CLW website
F-5E/F TIGER II as Interim Fighter
The F-5E "Tiger II" was a greatly improved version of the earlier F-5A "Freedom Fighter". Redesigned as a highly maneuverable, lightweight and inexpensive air superiority fighter, the -E featured an air-to-air fire control radar system and a lead computing gunsight. More powerful J85 engines required the fuselage to be both widened and lengthened. The forward wing root was redesigned to give the "Tiger II" wing its characteristic triple delta shape.The first flight of the F-5E was on 11 August 1972. The first USAF unit to receive the aircraft was the 425th TFS at Williams AFB, Arizona responsible for training foreign pilots in the F-5 aircraft.
A total of 1,166 F-5E , 241 F-5F and 12 RF-5E were produced by Northrop and under license in Switzerland, South Korea and Taiwan.
A number of companies offer upgrade packages for the F-5. The packages are popular because of the aircraft's sound design and widespread use, and will ensure that the type will serve for many more years.
Chile's F-5 fleet was upgraded by IAI of Israel to F-5E Plus Tiger III standard. New systems include the Elta EL/M-2032 multi-mode, pulse-Doppler fire control radar developed for the Lavi, HOTAS controls, a new El-Op HUD, MIL-STD-1553 digital databus and air data computer, radar warning receivers for 360 degree coverage, active jammers, flare and chaff dispensers and provisions for Python-3 AAMS and laser guided weapons.
The IAI/Lahav Division also leads the consortium comprising Elbit Systems and Singapore Aerospace Technologies currently undertaking the modernization of 48 F-5s of the Turkish Air Force. The program, worth $75 million, involves avionics systems upgrades covering weapon, navigation and cockpit system upgrades, as well as airframe structural life extension and reinforcement. Turkey expects to use its F-5s until 2020 as their intermediate Aircraft for training new pilots before they move up into F-16s.
Taiwan and Bahrain are also contemplating adding provisions for the AIM-120 AMRAAM missile to their F-5s.
Many surplus F-5E/Fs are currently available.
Switzerland was in the process of retiring 16 F-5Es, with 9 of them going to a technical school as instructional airframes, the rest were to be sold back to the United States to replace older F-5s used in the agressor role in dissimilar aircraft combat training. Most US Navy agressors have flown over 7,000 hours but Swiss aircraft have yet to reach 3,000 hours (Air Forces Monthly, March 2000).
The Philippines was studying the possibility of acquiring surplus F-5E/Fs from Saudi Arabia, which is replacing the type with F-15s. Taiwan was reported to have offered the Philippines F-5s at a low price of $1 million each, although this was earlier denied by officials in Taiwan, which received a total of 306 F-5E/Fs from the US or from AIDC. More recent statements by US Congressman Dana Rohrbacher and the Philippine government confirmed that negotiations are underway for the transfer of up to 24 Taiwanese F-5E/Fs. Sources have said the deal involves payment of a token fee, a state visit by the Taiwanese head-of-state, fishing rights to the channel between Taiwan and Batanes, and the use of facilities at the former US Clark Airbase for training purposes. While the aircraft are badly needed the political implications of the conditions may make the deal unworkable. The Philippines had previously received several F-86 fighters from Taiwan before adopting its "one China" policy. The current handful of F-5As operated by the PAF were sold to the Philippines by South Korea for the "friendship" price of US$100 each in recognition of the Philippine's role in the Korean War.
If the aircraft can be offered to the Phillipines for a price tag of US$1 million each by Taiwan , how could the engines be sold for RM$50 million each when the aircraft was due to be scraped and sold at scrape price ? Perhaps Anon who seems to be harping on this issue can tell me and everyone here ? I really think he only knows how to blah , blah , blah without any research on the issue . Typical of Opposition idiots .
How can anyone with a little bit sense believe that this was doen by rank and file? I think this stretches one imagination a little too much.
ReplyDeleteHow many signatures does it take to take out a big machinery and sensitive part like a fighter jet engine out of an air base? If it just take a rank and file signature, then something is really wrong. Don tell me there is no security officers in the base at all? What happen to military intelligence? Some one must know of an attempt to buy used jet engine in the market. People do not steal a jet fighter engine without a market.
And here our AG come and say it is rank and file only.
I think that makes sense . There's always a ready market for used military hardware as these are controlled items and sold to countries deemed friendly towards to the US and needs Congressional approval .As these cannot be bought in the open market , it has to be stolen and sold to a ready buyer .
ReplyDeleteSo now the question is how could they move a big chunk of metal out of the base ? Falsified documents like for example to be shipped back to the RMAF base here in Penang since they have been overhauled and were shipped from Butterworth in the first place ? So its like a shipping back to end customer except that it got transported out of base ( Sg Besi )to be shipped to a foreign country with all documents deemed correct with their co conspirators from the shipping industry and the middle man from the Arms dealers .
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Those involved would include the engine maintenance technicians , the logistics guys , the shipment guys and the sentries or guards on duty since engines of this nature are no more in use or are spares used for cannibalisation for their parts .
So do you think higher ranks would be involved if the engines were sold cheaply while the middle man would be the ones who profit the most ?
If you have been to an air force base, the security is very tight. I have been inside the Subang base. The sentry will check and double check. It is not easy to move things out without the sentry post being informed before hand. That means going through the security officer.
ReplyDeleteMoving this big item means going through the base command heirachy and that means paper works and paper trail. Not something the rank and file alone can pull off.
J4OTK, don't be belittled by the news that this a pure instance of theft concerning the missing enginees. Though there may be motive of making a fask buck it is an impossible theft - two engines worth 100 million. Whose money is this? Any taking of money through sale or deception is a form of corruption. When you take money from an immoral sale is this corrupting away money from others. Your distinction is narrow and uneducated. Should go for a refresher course. It is an ingenious way to corrupt taxpayers' money. Don't you all think so whether this is stealing which in this case is unconvinced.
ReplyDeleteJ4OTK is a shithead, that's what she is.
ReplyDeleteRank and file? If rank and file can pull off such a ffeat, then what is the use of the entire military?
J4OTK never understand how military supposed to function and yet she bought the story of rank and file lock stock and barrel.
Stupid idiot !
What else can you expect from MCA?
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