One Big Poker Bluff
Today's so called 1128 Briefing is one hell of a big poker bluff , to hoodwink and deceive the people . However one thing was evident ..read on
The " briefing " attracted 547 delegates whose identity was not verified and remains unverified .
This is according to signatures on the lists of attendees .
Of the over 900 chairs provided downstairs it was 90 percent occupied as there were empty , inoccupied chairs in between . The whole of upstairs which could easily accommodate another 800 people was empty , not a single chair was filled . So there could be more than 900 and about 1000 people attending who are ordinary members and outsiders , inclusive of the 547 unverified so called delegates .
Even assuming these 547 who signed were delegates EGM 2 which is illegal will still has to be aborted due to lack of quorum which required 800 delegates to be able to be deemed valid .
They promised to have a independent committee to verify those attendees , however none was seen and there was no verification done .
However one thing was evident , there were busloads of people who came from Divisions who had only 15 delegates in the respective divisions , meaning busloads of non delegates , ordinary members and outsiders were ferried to attend the briefing .
These busloads of people were mainly from Perak and Pahang respectively , the home ground of the two taikors , Chan kong Choy of the Wah Kee ( sei ko long or see kang or cell 40 ) from Pahang and and Ong Ka Chuan , of the Ang Men or ang bin hoay from Perak . So its evident here that the triads are now involve as previously mention in this blog .
Najib should act now against these politicians and groups , the fall of MCA will see the fall of BN in the coming GE
When these Taikors were strongest then back then in 2008 , when they partically controlled and rule MCA , when Ka Ting ( president ) famous for his association with the Sio Sam Ong group , his brother Ka Chuan ( sec gen ) with the ang bin hoay and Kong Choy with the wah kee , and with the help from William Cheng and co , the Sin Chew group and co , MCA still suffered a great disasterous defeat in 308 .
If they were to make a comeback , MCA will be wiped out and so will Barisan National . If Najib is not careful with these criminalise politicians , and were to accede to their demands , Najib will inevitablely be the catalyst in the downfall of BN in the next GE . BN will be finished if Ong Ka Chuan who is planning to make a comeback by going for the top post and with Liow going for the no 2 makes it . Najib should also start taking actions against those media groups who wants to see the downfall of MCA cause the downfall of MCA is also the downfall of BN .
If only 15 delegates each from Perak and Pahang attended the 1128 briefing out of about 1000 attentendees then Liow is bullshiting in an attempt to bluff the public into believing they have the numbers and use it as leverage for fresh poll. What a forked pollitician! The 547 signatures on the register list could not be verified goes to show a lack of support for their cause and who knows most of these are triads and business mafia just coming to to show support as what was said visibly from the two states = Perak and Pahang. Would Najib care whether they are secret societies men pulling in the plug when there is a Bala on his plate. Mon
ReplyDeleteAmongst the 547 registered CDs some of them are planted for logistic purposes. Thus the hard core supporters maybe around 300-400 only.
ReplyDeleteThose who fool themselves are the worst fools.
GUP
Yes, certain Articles or Sub-Articles of the Party Constitution need amendment due to their ambiguities or open to abuse as in the case of Article 30.2.
ReplyDeleteWith due respect, the appointments for a certain numbers of CCMs is important for the party to run effectively and smoothly. The President needs some appointed CCMs who are not interested in contesting but have certain expertise in party matters to assist the Party. Thus Articles 38.11, Article 46 and 166 are needed and need not be amended. They are there to safe guard the President who has been given the mandate by the CDs to implement the resolutions sactioned by the Cds or CCMs. They are appointed to assist the elected President to execute or support whatever vision and mission the President has or those sanctioned by the party. Their presence would not retard DEMOCRACY as all CCMs are allowed to voice their views in the CC meetings.
The attitude and mindset of the CCMs are paramount. At present, a small minority of the CCMs have been acting like delinquents, they do not respect the hierarchical set up of the party. Slamming the president and deputy president at pre, during and post meetings which are uncalled for.
CHANGING THE ATTITUDE WILL CHANGE THE PERCEPTION. With the mental blockage of the minority who refuse to see or hear. Fresh election WILL NOT break the VICIOUS CIRCLE the party is facing. It is definitely not the answer for the predicament of the party. "Leaders ought to be more analytical and critical when facing issues and not be simplistic without giving any concrete or comprehensive solution. LTL, WKS, CMF and MNC please be more constructive, not just; “We want fresh election to bring back democracy to the party.” Embrace GUP. Fine tune it. Polish it. GUP being inclusive, will unite, heal and serve the Chinese community and the nation.
Just to share,
He drew a circle that shut me out
Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout’
But love and I had the wit to win;
We drew a circle that took him in!
justice4otk,
ReplyDeleteOTK supporters should organize show of force too. When is he coming back from aboard. Get thousand of supporters to the airport to welcome him back, such act will achieve two important morale booster, that is boost OTK energy and tell his opponent don't play play, he is not walking alone to demoralize the other side people..........
The show of force will be next weeks AGM~!
ReplyDeleteright justice4otk?
Silo said...
ReplyDeleteThe show of force will be next weeks AGM~!
right justice4otk?
Right man ......next week
wisdom
OTK already back in KL ...came back very early in the morning yesterday .
Been told the brutus Liow upon realizing they don't have the support is talking differently now . I have not seen the tv clip , so I cannot comment , perhaps you guys can give your inputs here . Heard he is softening on his stance .
Special branch people confirmed the numbers published here . The report will go up to the top , he Liow cannot bull anymore to Najib . He does not have the support , period:)
ReplyDeleteLTL was talking about moving forward and lets forget and forgive and also about inclusiveness. About unity bla...bla..bla...
ReplyDeleteThen, what is wrong with GUP?!!
Just say sorry and embrace GUP to unite, heal and serve. Fresh election shall come when the time permits it.
Liow’s men push to curtail president’s powers
ReplyDeleteTo Justice for All,
ReplyDeleteThere will be no forgive & forget when it comes to the FGZs.
They MUST be punished !!!
Lebih 1,000 menghadiri sesi taklimat oleh naib presiden Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai di Dewan Lee San Choon, Wisma MCA di Jalan Ampang Pagi ini.
ReplyDeleteTema taklimat tersebut adalah '1128, satu permulaan baru'.
Kerusi yang disediakan tidak mencukupi dan kerusi tambahan terpaksa dibawa masuk ke dalam dewan tersebut untuk menampung jumlah hadirin.
OTK is finished. So is CSL the DPresident wihtout clothes. If you guys do not belive and still behave like the Emperor's New Clothes, then count down for this website as well. You are screaming and reapeating the mantra that LTL & Co can not gather enough to deny OTL-CSL is just to remind yourself that you still have power. Let me thumb my nose........ OTK used to be good but listen to ill advice by his inner cycle. Too bad.
ReplyDeleteBangsa Cina Malaysia suka berawangan.
ReplyDeleteFakta 547 berdaftar masuk dewan.
Bilangan 547 ada yang membuat lawatan.
Makan angin free adalah tujuan.
Matalamat mereka bukan mengikut seruan.
Tanggal 5 Disember barulah bukan tiruan.
Law Enforcer
Waste time to show off the force now (I suspect some spy fm Brutus Gang now). RESPECT 2/3 MAJORITY DECISION to either want fresh party election or GUP. So simple like that. 1200 attendants with members & delegates can fight the whole delegates ? Put all the effort to gain back chinese confident is very important, if the Brutus gang can gather more than half of delegates , you think they do not want to hold the EGM ? Their Taiko is OKC and he is the one who lost to CSL and want a return. But this time to HOLAN loh, because he was upset by Brutus Gang, exhaust so many time, money & energy can not gather more than half of delegates for the EGM.
ReplyDeleteLiow's faction vows to quit to force fresh polls at CC level within 60 days and they've already signed the resignation letter without date.There are 13 of them
ReplyDeleteTo Dear Law Enforcer,
ReplyDeleteStop worrying about that bangsat.
He is a luser.
They are getting very Very VERY scared and desperate.
ULTA MAN , ULTA , ULTA
ReplyDeleteBohong besar , Tipu man How seoow man , pegi how seow lain tempat , jangan mari sini how seow , jita buka budak budak kechik tau ke ?
Liow's faction vows to quit to force fresh polls at CC level within 60 days and they've already signed the resignation letter without date.There are 13 of them
ReplyDeletelet them resign first if they got the balls ...many people waiting to become minister and deputy ministers once the vacancies exists .
No need to talk cock now , if you are serious resign NOW .
J4OTK,
ReplyDeleteMereka mana ade biji?
Menangis tau, buat tuduhan palsu tau, selain dari itu, ape lagi mereka tau?
Bangsat Cina Malaysia
ReplyDeleteLiow’s men push to curtail president’s powers
Dengan apa ? dengan bola bola mereka ? atau guna cara samseng ? bangsat ?
When I saw the clip on Chew Mei Fun speaking - she was full of hate, spewing sulphur. She is a mad woman ready for Tanjung Rambutan.
ReplyDeleteMereka mana ade biji?
ReplyDeleteBiji kotek atau biji kachang puteh ?
Yeah. They should just date it 1128. Next hand it to senator wong foon meng. Then u can slowly wait for ur fresh election. Ltl n co can go ahead n bluff the media, the naive, the greedy people. I see strong mandate in the present cc members. So u can goreng your fish til it becomes black, but u can't force it into everyones throat.
ReplyDeleteBalls? Got balls they would kick off their egm2 la.
Sdra Justice4otk reported this:
ReplyDelete"Even assuming these 547 who signed were delegates EGM 2 which is illegal will still has to be aborted due to lack of quorum which required 800 delegates to be able to be deemed valid ."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
We knew from the start that Liow Liao Liao was not going to get the 1/3 quorum (793/2380)....
That was why I appealed so many times that we or OTK or CSL needed not block/sabotage their 1128 EGM.
This is because we wanted the EGM to MISCARRY...to be aborted for lack of quorum....Then only the world and our rakyat would notice the political amateurs in the Liow's faction....
They talked BIG yet their influence/support/political capital was so negligible....
Only XIAO people from the MCA or our Chinese community or Malaysian society would believe them--thinking that they would TOPPLE OTK by today.
Now we only need to enjoy our dinner on the 4th of Dec ( I think I can generously BELANJA becoz I just got my pay check cleared by then )at Jalan Ampang, and then go the AGM the next day [Dec 5th]--BUSINESS AS USUAL.
MCA AGM must be held at least ONCE a year and cannot be held later than 31 Dec of each year (here we are talking about 2009).
Who is MORE POWERFUL/BIDING than MCA PARTY CONSTITUTION?
Even our 'smart' President OTK is also bound by the said Constitution....That was why he said any fresh election must go back to the CC --which is for the time being the only authority COMPETENT to decide on behalf of the party/members.
"Orang di luar MCA lagi TAK BERHAK cakap apa2 tentang pemilihan baru...."
AXED-JOURNALIST
Sdra Justice4otk wrote,
ReplyDelete"Liow's faction vows to quit to force fresh polls at CC level within 60 days and they've already signed the resignation letter without date.There are 13 of them
let them resign first if they got the balls ...many people waiting to become minister and deputy ministers once the vacancies exist...."
MCA has 42 CC members.
Liow'faction has got only 13 members --not even 1/3!
How to force a fresh election like that? Xiao!
It is said that the announcement by Liow's faction on fresh election, postponement of Dec 5 AGM etc are all UNILATERAL only. "Eat yourself tonite (EYT) lah!" Liow & Co!
Malaysiakini.Com has one interesting analysis in Chinese section:
廖派一月重选或是一厢情愿,翁蔡控制中委会掌握主导权
但是廖派公开放话,相信年度代表大会将会展延,并与重选在一月同步举行,却可能落得一厢情愿,最后未必能够真正成事。
这是因为翁诗杰及蔡细历两人已不约而唱出同一调子表示,重选最终必须获得中委会同意,重选的日期必须交由中委会定夺,显然话留伏笔。
有鉴于中委会仍然处于两人的掌控之下,在做出让步卸下廖派的攻势之后,翁蔡仍掌握最后的主导权。"
Read more in:
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/118489
[Summary: Liow's announcment on fresh election...could be unilateral intention only. The CC of MCA is very much in control by OTK & CSL factions.This means OTK & CSL are still very much IN-CHARGE....]
CORRECTLAH.
Aixin.
LTL "then we the Brutus dismiss ourselves from all party posts" so that we don't have to attend the General Assembly - how about the SNOOP SQUAT will the CC consider to hide it.
ReplyDeleteTheMalaysianinsider.Com reports that:
ReplyDeleteLiow’s men push to curtail president’s powers
My advice to LTL & sinful spinners:
WIN THE WAR FIRSTLAH!
Hahahahaha
Axed-Journalist
Can anyone foreseen what is next show of Brutus Gang ? Please inform first because many chinese feels the drama not ended at EGM1128 , any new episode possible before all delegates going home at 1204/5 for the Union Dinner ? OKC did he dare to turn out for the dinner , all guns firing to him now . Want to be No.1, even No.2 also lost , should it means end of Ka Ting's Dynasty ?
ReplyDeleteNow we "see thru" the true color of some Chinese business/community leaders:
ReplyDelete馬華黨爭 大家厭倦 , 華團或自薦任部長
獨家報導:潘佩玉
(吉隆坡28日訊)國內華團對馬華沒完沒了的黨爭已大感厭倦,並考慮仿傚國外商會代表出任上議員的例子,向政府爭取由華社本身委派代表出任上議員或部長,“繞過”馬華捍衛華社權益。
回到領導華社正軌
目前,這項建議仍屬初步概念;但如果馬華繼續因黨內問題而失去其代表角色和功能,相信有關建議將付諸落實。
華團消息告訴《中國報》,部分華團領導人近日聚會時,提及馬華因黨爭問題,無法兼顧捍衛華社利益一事,提出直接由華社本身出任上議員或部長的建議。
[The China Press reports that sources said the Chinese Hua Tuan - Chinese organisations - may want to bypass MCA and appoint minister from amongst their leaders as Cabinet Minister...emulating practices in the West....]
The 'source' dared not allow the press to mention his name in the open....No LPs again!
-Cowboy Lee-
Dear Cowboy Lee,
ReplyDeleteNever forget, for even one fraction of a second, that China Press is owned by that "shitface Tiong", the same owner of Sin Chew.
They are doing everything they can to ditch OTK right now !
As for that bow lump par guy, I bet he still owes TNB Hundreds of Millions of unpaid electricity bills !!
Senator from the Hua Tuan - alright, that will be considered later
ReplyDeleteIn this interview with Oriental Daily, MCA President OTK disclosed that the party crisis was primarily caused by "past leaders" who wanted to make a comeback....
ReplyDeleteHe said, LTL is a leader from the young generation, so his sudden emergence is due to backing from some people.
Read more in:
http://www2.orientaldaily.com.my/read/A1/2dH20U0l0F2A9afc1LNZ1Gd125298v83
Teh Tarik
中委會重選 馬華不能放棄自主權
馬華勢必舉行重選?馬華總會長拿督斯裡翁詩傑強調解決黨爭,不能放棄黨的自主權;是否重選,最終須交回馬華中委會決定,一切須根據黨章行事。
他指出,根據黨章須有2/3中委呈辭或革職,才能解散中委會進行重選,因此,有關重選的問題,必須要過中委會這一關,以行使黨的主自權。
未見過慕尤丁
他也透露,本身至今為止,都從未見過受邀調解馬華黨爭的副首相兼國陣署理主席丹斯裡慕尤丁。
「我也沒有緊急回國,不像某方那麼著急。」
談及馬華重選課題,翁詩傑在接受本報專訪時的問答錄如下:
問:請問您怎麼看馬華重選?
翁:當我在1015中委會議上要求召開特大尋求重選時,反對最大聲者,也是事後「特大Ⅱ」之流。當時他們口口聲聲不忘提醒要2/3中委呈辭或革職才能舉行重選。
試問,我在1015提議的重選,跟後來1128特大所尋求的重選,有何不同。
一個客觀的事實是,有關重選最終須交由中委會決定。
問:巫統介入調解馬華黨爭,會否對馬華造成衝擊?
有人冀外方介入
翁:這要看始作俑者是誰。
我翁詩傑從頭到尾堅持我們要自覺性的行使自主權。
有人迫不及待非要外方介入不可,這一切有待歷史給一個評價。
要尊重自主權,包括黨內外都是如此。若不尊重黨章的規定,到頭來只有加速喪失人民對馬華的信心。
問:請問您與副首相慕尤丁見面了嗎?
翁:至今為止,我都未見過副首相,也沒有緊急回國,不像某方那麼著急。
問:有些報章指馬華重選將落在明年1月,請問您怎麼看?
未決定重選日期
翁:坊間可能認為說,聲音喊得最大的就是事實,可是事實未必如此。
問:重選日期未有最後定案?
翁:還沒有決定
問:若是重選,您是否會尋求捍衛總會長職?
翁:等正真有重選時再說。
問:您心裡應該有個譜吧?
翁詩傑僅是點頭微笑,沒有作答。
問:何時召開下一次中委會議?
翁:沒有決定。
問:12月5日的馬華常年代表大會會挪後嗎?
翁:我有宣佈挪後嗎?到底現在誰是總會長?
Guys !!
ReplyDeleteEven RTM2 is siding with the FGZs !!
The 8PM Mandarin news on RTM2 is claiming that 1600 people attended that illegal EGM !!
It's time to look into who is behind this [b]GOD DAMN LIE[/b] !!!
Liow tiong lai for President.....
ReplyDeleteDear BCM,
ReplyDeleteYou frequent Zorro's blog
You a supporter for DAP
Please la !
Please go tell that idiot Lim Guan Eng to shape up la !
MCA holding fresh polls will only divide the party and make it weaker, said former prime minister Dr Mahathir Mohamad.
ReplyDeleteWhen a wise and wolrd respected countryman said so, what else can we say?
are they going to summit their resignation letter next CC meeting?
ReplyDeleteBoth factions are losers.
ReplyDeleteBoth factions will be rejected by voters.
hey bangsat cina go and fuck spider lanchau to you .
ReplyDeleteNobody says anything about supposedly 1128 turned special briefing is illegal under the constitution. Some say it is usual stuff but this is serious as it involves rebellon against leadership of OTK/CSL. It is another turn of event smack of mockery levelled at the ineffectiveness of majority CCM to manage the party. How can this be happening and the organisers are making wild allegations and the Information bureau chief has a hard time dispelling false information/rumours. This is serious matter. Can anyone tell what would happen to them for breaking party rules. Mon
ReplyDeleteWorst these idiots how can they pass a resolution in a special briefing ? Must be mad , Liow Tiong Lai and gang has gone mad , has gone coo coo . To them thry are breaking every law in the Party because they think the Party cannot do anything to them . They also think Najib dared not do anything to them cause they have 8 MPs with their group . I say kick them out , nobodu wants them , they will be a liability to whoever accepts them . They are not wanted by PKR and DAP . Kick the bastards out .
ReplyDeletebrother,i think OKT brother behind all this time,be careful
ReplyDeleteSenator Heng has confirmed only 547 delegates attended the Brutus Gang 1128 Snap Briefing. The hall has 900 chairs and look many non-seated , so the number is reliable , so is impossible to have more than 1000 attendants. The figures could not cheat me cos I has organised a briefing with more than 5,000 people. While a hall is squeezed like San Choon can accommodate 2,500 people and hope one day it will be happened to counter the 1128.
ReplyDeleteBukankah Ultraman alias Utakman the loser
ReplyDeleteBangsa Cina Malaysia is the real loser
Seorang yang bangsat dikeji sebagai loser
Hanya berani bersuara sebagai impostor
Karma akan menghumkum orang yang berdosa
Undur Utakman sebelum terseksa
Kamu Ultraman alias Utakman akan binasa
J4OTK,
ReplyDeleteYou need to send someone to RTM as well as NTV7, 8TV and TV3 to ask where they got the info on FGZs got 1600 (1258 CDs + members) attending their illegal assembly.
And plus, get info on how many of those "1600" are from Wah Kee?
Perhaps a trip to Bukit Aman could help you get more info on the Wah Kee representative went inside the MCA building yesterday.
Not forget the newly registered Party Cinta Malaysia (PCM) seems orgainsed by OKC. If these group of Brutus Gang with 8 MPs leave MCA and definitely they will welcome by new party.( This plan well known in political arena long time already ). It is not easy to form a new political party nowadays in Malaysia and if nobody ATAs, sure it cannot be registered by ROS ( Recently party from the People Power of Indians ). The protem chairman from Brutus comrades and the 8 MPs prepare to leave MCA and once it happen, they have a very strong reason to join PCM and accepted BN as condition , in front of Malaysian, their reason is to love the country more than party MCA. Since they have joined sign undated resignation letters and no other party outsides dare to take them, the new party is a good option for them, this time they want to tarnish the image of MCA seriously so that the chinese will not want MCA in the next GE is understood. Will the plan is success, only GOD know. Alhamdulliah !
ReplyDeleteAnon 09:28,
ReplyDeleteI know the people behind PCM la !
All crooks, all with triad background !!
Can the MCA, the aggrieved party ask the relevant media to say sorry for the wrong information. Certain parties may misconstrue and accuse MCA of bullshiting.
ReplyDelete547 and 1600, the difference is to big. As expected, because actually many of them were there just for the paid for holidays and food.
547 are not the solid supporters, some are impostors just to spy.
Kalambong
ReplyDeleteAnd plus, get info on how many of those "1600" are from Wah Kee?
JASA the monitoring unit uder the Information Ministry and the Special Branch people who were there concluded that the number of delegates were almost what we reported with some slight discrepancies of plus , minus 7 . They got their figures at 540 .
What Senator Heng reported is exactly what we reported and from the registration . On the people who attended the media might want to include about ten tables behind the screen for children who accompanied their parents to attend .
Datuk Ti and me , both carried articles on money politics , delegates who were paid $500 to attend , $1000 from Sabah plus airline tickets to attend . You can see one of the scoundrels from Sabah there who goes by the name of Edward ..
Of the 1000 more or less people who attended you can say minus the 547 the rests are ordinary members / non delegates from Pahang and Perak and paid outsiders who were given free holiday trips .
Of this ordinary / non delegates we estimate half of them to be triad members , either from Wah Kee or from Ang Bin Hoay , about 200 or more .
Of the delegates , Yeow Chai Thiam is one of the wah kee guy and so are the delegates from Penang who attended mainly from the Permatang Pauh and Tasek Glugor Divisions .It is well known that the Div Chm of both the divisions are wah kee members and supporters and so are those division chairmans from Pahang .So you can estimate another hundred plus from here .
From Johore Ka Ting's strong hold and Wee Jack Seng's division , we'll go through the video and identify them , so is Perak .
Main thing is JASA and Special Branch reports will go directly to PM and PM will be told and informed of the involvement of triads in MCA . Special Branch has all files on them and the actual figures will be told to PM . So if RTM2 Astro AEC wants to play with the figures , let them .
justice4otk,
ReplyDeleteSome real actions from OTK supporters is necessary.
Since they want to play with numbers, lets play with numbers. OTK supporters can still demonstrate show of force as well, get thousand of grass roots supporters to gather at the premises of the coming AGM to support OTK. The battle cries are NO TO FRESH ELECTION, NO TO UMNO INTERFERENCES and YES TO GUP, YES TO OTK REFORMS. DOWN TO THE TRAITORS.
Dear All
ReplyDeleteAs per MalaysiaKini on 11/9/09
Malaysiakini visited the party's registered address in Perai and found that it was a closed bistro
As per Malaysian Mirror on 11/9/09
Registered on Aug 6
The scanted details that have surfaced showed that it has an office in Perai, Penang and was registered with the Registrar of Societies (ROS) on Aug 6.
Local businessman Tang Weng Chew, 38, is the chairman of the party, which is opened to all races in Malaysia. Other key officials include Loo Kien Seang (secretary) and Lim Kim Chu (treasurer).
News portal Malaysiakini quoted Penang ROS official Ibrahim Yaakub as saying that, like most political parties, Parti Cinta Malaysia had probably made a direct application to Putrajaya and was accordingly approved by the head office.
“I will know (more details) when the forms are sent back to the Penang office,” Ibrahim told the online paper.
So who is PCM Chairman Tang Weng Chew, 38, Loo Kien Seang (secretary) and Lim Kim Chu (treasurer).
MCA Watcher
If there are identified leaders of triads in the briefing, them make a police report. With the police report, the police can start an official investigation under CID. Maybe they can declare this as an illegal gang meeting and arrests the buggers. Some can be send to Simpang Renggam under EO. Dont need to go to court to lock them up.
ReplyDeleteDear Watcher,
ReplyDeleteWhen the FGZs jump ship to PCM, I will disclose all the triad backgrounds of the whose who of PCM.
If they want to play, so can I.
They think they can call the Ah Bengs, although I am no longer in the triads now, I still can make some calls.
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