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Tuesday, August 24, 2010

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PAS will stick to its agenda to implement hudud law and set up an Islamic state in Malaysia despite objections by its Pakatan Rakyat ally, the DAP.

“We will not compromise on the matter,” said PAS secretary-general Datuk Mustafa Ali, reiterating the stand taken by the party’s mursyidul am (spiritual advisor) Datuk Seri Nik Aziz Nik Mat.

Nik Aziz, who is Kelantan mentri besar, had reportedly called on leaders of Pakatan - which also includes the PKR - to implement hudud law if the tripartite alliance succeeded in forming the Federal government.

The call drew a lot of flak from the DAP, with party stalwarts Lim Kit Siang and Karpal Singh fiercely defending the view that Malaysia is a secular state and that any policy changes in the Pakatan can only be made with the mutual agreement of all its component parties.

Reacting to the DAP’s rage over the issue, Mustafa said PAS was also firm on its principle.

Supporting his party elders, PAS Youth chief Nasrudin Hasan Tantawi said the DAP should not immediately object to the idea without understanding the principles behind hudud law.

“Existing man-made laws have failed. It is high time the DAP leaders open their eyes to the hudud, qisas and ta’zir enactments that could help overcome social woes,” added Nasrudin, stressing that Islam emphasises fairness.

“Karpal Singh supports civil laws that allow women to be hanged for dumping babies that lead to death.

“Mothers who kill their own children would not even be tried under the hudud law. They will be subjected to the ta’zir laws where the judge would use his discretion in meting out punishment,” said Nasrudin.

He added that any man who dumps and kills a baby would be liable to the death sentence under the qisas laws - where “an eye for an eye” sort of punishment is applied.

Commenting on the PAS-DAP impasse over the hudud issue, MCA Youth chief Datuk Dr Wee Ka Siong said the two parties had been collaborating as a team and it was strange to hear that, at the same time, the DAP disagrees with PAS.

Dr Wee said Lim also owes the public an explanation over the DAP’s stand.

“Are they (the DAP) playing around with tricks just to get both the Malay and Chinese votes?” he asked.

Meanwhile, Karpal Singh has refuted Nik Aziz’s allegation that he was alone in his stand against hudud law and Islamic state proposed by PAS.

Karpal Singh said Lim had stated their stand that Malaysia was a secular state, and the introduction of hudud law and the setting up of an Islamic state was not Pakatan Rakyat’s policies.

“This statement nails the assertion by Nik Aziz that I was the lone voice in the DAP opposing hudud and Islamic state,” he said in a statement yesterday.

Meanwhile PAS officials were not dissuaded by DAP's assertion that hudud and the Islamic state are not Pakatan Rakyat policies.

PAS vice-president Datuk Tuan Ibrahim Tuan Man called for dialogue among Pakatan Rakyat components.

He said once non-Muslims have an understanding of syariah, they would "fall in love with it".

"The syariah is applicable only to Muslims as it is a religious obligation to comply with the teachings of Islam," he said, adding that exaggerations and false depictions have clouded the perspective of the non-Muslims here.

"They will learn to embrace it if they were enlightened to its essence," he said.

"I feel that the current laws have failed to protect society based on the increasing number of crimes, including baby dumping, drug abuse and other social ills."

He said every party, including the Barisan Nasional, should participate in discussions to find ways to tackle these issues.

However, he said, having such discussions should not be seen as an attempt to align itself with BN.

"Social economic issues are something we should not politicise for the people's sake."

Shah Alam member of parliament Khalid Samad said the onus was on PAS to convince society.

"Society must agree before we make any changes," he said.

PAS Information chief Idris Ahmad said he would rather have PAS spiritual leader Nik Aziz make statements on the matter to avoid further confusion.

"It is crucial that each component party is considerate to their respective positions regarding the matter."

Meanwhile, Karpal said PAS should accept that its avowed aim in turning Malaysia into an Islamic state was an "exercise in futility and beyond fulfilment".

However, he said, DAP was prepared to work with PAS in the interest of the people.

"This is an expectation of the people and nothing should be done to defeat their expectations."

No Hudud Agenda: Pakatan Policies Are Clear ????- Kit Siang

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DAP supremo Lim Kit Siang, content in recent times to let Karpal Singh clash with Pas over hudud and the establishment of an Islamic state, waded in yesterday with an emphatic rejoinder.

“DAP’s stand on Malaysia as a secular state has always been consistent. Hudud laws and an Islamic state are not Pakatan Rakyat policies.”

This came a day after Pas spiritual leader Datuk Nik Abdul Aziz Nik Mat declared that Karpal was the lone voice in his party opposing hudud and an Islamic state.

And Nik Aziz asserted this would not harm ties between DAP and Pas, which were allies in Pakatan.

The latest round of debate was sparked by Nik Aziz’s call to implement hudud to rein in cases of baby dumping and other social problems.

Accentuating the DAP-Pas fault lines, Lim alluded yesterday to Pakatan’s “common platform” proclaimed at its convention in Shah Alam on Dec 19 last year.

He said it made no mention of Islamic state and hudud.

In comments posted on his blog yesterday, Lim said questions had again been raised about DAP and Pakatan’s policies on hudud and Malaysia as an Islamic state.

Lim wrote: “PR made a pledge to defend the Federal Constitution, Islam as the religion of the federation, while other religions can be practised peacefully anywhere in the country and protecting the special position of the Malays and the indigenous peoples anywhere, including Sabah and Sarawak,and the legitimate interests of other races in accordance to Article 153.

“PR also made the commitment that religion and other beliefs practised by Malaysians should form the basis of unity that is founded on good universal values.”

Lim said implementing hudud meant a change in policy and any changewould need the agreement of all three component parties.

Lim said that at the convention, Pakatan, among others, had vowed to set up a mechanism to provide solutions to overlapping cases between civil law and syariah, including a royal commission to study all the relevant issues and organise dialogues between the different cultures and religions to strengthen the understanding between them.

Parti Keadilan Rakyat, the other party in Pakatan, appeared to back DAP on the matter.

PKR communications director Nik Nazmi Nik Ahmad said implementing hudud was not feasible.

He said this was because the Federal Constitution clearly stated that power over criminal matters rested with the Federal Government and the civil courts.

“The Federal Constitution clearly sets out the two parallel justice systems in the country, which is the civil courts and syariah courts.

“At this stage, while there have been calls to expand the laws to include hudud, crime remains outside the scope of syariah.”

He added that Pakatan had always agreed to refer to the Constitution on matters regarding Islamic law.

Last Updated (Monday, 23 August 2010 16:57)

PAS leader calls for truce over hudud debate

Kuek Ser Kuang Keng
Aug 24, 10
2:57pm


PAS central committee member Dr Dzulkefly Ahmad has urged Pakatan Rakyat leaders to stop squabbling over recent claims that the coalition would implement hudud laws should they come to federal power. a kugan detention death funeral ummc to puchong 280109 kuala selangor mp dr dzulkefly ahmadDzulkefly (left) warned that if the public spat goes on unabated, it would result in a second occurrence of an opposition coalition going into 'self-destruct mode', which was last seen in 2001 when DAP left the Barisan Alternatif coalition. He said that Pakatan should be guided by its common policy framework (CPF) drawn up in December. "Pakatan must understand what is necessary in coalition politics, which is about parties undertaking common objectives and policies," said Dzulkefly, who is also a Pakatan leadership secretariat member, when contacted. 'In Pakatan, we have more than enough common ground to form a broad-based policy." In 2001, DAP left Barisan Alternatif in a huff after PAS maintained its stand that it would create a theocratic state based on strict Islamic law and hudud, which prescribed harsh penalties such as amputation for theft and stoning to death for adultery. Dzulkefly said Pakatan leaders must learn from history and avoid another fall-out between opposition parties. He said Pakatan allies PAS, DAP and PKR need to focus on the CPF and their goals for the next general election, as well as respect each other's respective ideologies. However, the Pakatan platform should not be used to promote party positions that are not part of the CPF. DAP and PAS to quarrel till doomsday? Dzulkefly urged his party comrades to accept that the party was an "Islamic democratic party" that works within a democratic legislative framework. "PAS must understand that whatever we do, we must do it with the mandate of the people. We can't force people to accept Islam. This will trigger anxiety and fear among the non-Muslims and sometimes the Muslims." He stressed that hudud and the establishment of an Islamic state are not part of the CPF and should PAS have won all the seats they contested at the Parliamentary level in 2008, it would still not be able to implement them without support from their Pakatan partners. NONE"For the 13th general election, this agenda is not immediately relevant because we are not fighting elections by ourselves. As long as BN always exploits this dichotomy, it becomes the Achilles heel of PR. "As long as hudud and an Islamic state are anathema to DAP while PAS opposes a secular state, and they quarrel over it forever until doomsday, BN and Umno will govern this country and we can forget about taking over the federal government." DAP chairperson Karpal Singh (right) and adviser Lim Kit Siang have again been locked in a war of words with PAS spiritual adviser Nik Aziz Nik Mat after the latter suggested that hudud laws would be implemented should Pakatan take federal power. Nik Aziz said that strict Islamic laws were necessary to curb social ills, but Karpal and Lim are adamant that Malaysia's laws clearly dictate that the country is governed by secular laws and

A sickness in M'sia: 4 headlines in 3 hours reflecting racism, lies

Lim Kit Siang

There is a sickness in the country which is total mockery and negation of Najib’s 1Malaysia policy. With eight days to go before the National Day proper on August 31 and 24 days before Malaysia Day on Sept. 16, Malaysians regardless of race, religion or region should be celebrating a new sense of pride and unity as Malaysians after 18 months of the 1Malaysia slogan and policy proclaimed by Datuk Seri Najib Razak after he became the sixth Prime Minister in April last year.


But every 24 hours is demonstrating the opposite.

There is a sickness in the country as illustrated by several headlines in a matter of a few hours by online media Malaysian Insider yesterday, viz:

* “Perkasa, MPM want Soi Lek arrested under ISA”
* “Pakatan wants to ‘destroy’ constitutional monarchy, claim Malay groups” (a lie)
* “Ibrahim Ali follows Tee, tells those who disagree to get out”
* “Malay groups want vernacular schools abolished”

Before Najib’s proclamation of 1Malaysia, People First, Performance Now, it is a comparative rarity for lies, falsehoods and extremist incitement of issues of race and religion to dominate public and political discourse.

But what had been rare is happening with disconcerting frequency as the four Malaysian Insider headlines within three hours yesterday.

Utusan Malaysia illustrates this sickness in the country with its front-page headlines and reports in the past week like:

* “Elak perang besar – Harussani enggan dedah pihak terlibat wujudkan ‘perlembagaan bau’”;
* “Benar, ‘perang besar’ boleh berlaku di Malaysia”
* “Nama Guan Eng ganti Agong”

Clear cases of sedition are now seen to be committed with impunity, like calls for the closure of Chinese and Tamil primary schools which had been decided by the courts.

On the other hand, there is agitation and escalation of irresponsible rhetoric to classify legitimate and rational public discussion and debate as sedition and if such agitation is allowed, even Najib himself could be charged for sedition for unveiling the New Economic Policy on March 30 which called for an affirmative action programmes “to consider all ethnic groups fairly and equally as long as they are in the low income 40% of households” and to be “be based on market-friendly and market-based criteria together taking into consideration the needs and merits of the applicants”.

This sickness in the country is a total mockery and complete negation of Najib’s 1Malaysia to give Malaysians regardless of race, religion or region a new sense of pride and unity as Malaysians.

It will render the Merdeka Month celebrations of “1Malaysia Transforming the National’ totally hollow and empty.

The Prime Minister must provide the leadership and set the example to ensure that good sense, reason and rationality is fully restored to public and political discourses and his 1Malaysia policy does not degenerate into a Malaysian sickness which all Malaysians deplore. - http://limkitsiang.com/

Kit Siang Selective issues , How about this this issue ? Selective memory loss !


PAS firm on hudud law


PETALING JAYA: PAS will stick to its agenda to implement hudud law and set up an Islamic state in Malaysia despite objections by its Pakatan Rakyat ally, the DAP.

“We will not compromise on the matter,” said PAS secretary-general Datuk Mustafa Ali, reiterating the stand taken by the party’s mursyidul am (spiritual advisor) Datuk Seri Nik Aziz Nik Mat.

Nik Aziz, who is Kelantan mentri besar, had reportedly called on leaders of Pakatan - which also includes the PKR - to implement hudud law if the tripartite alliance succeeded in forming the Federal government.

The call drew a lot of flak from the DAP, with party stalwarts Lim Kit Siang and Karpal Singh fiercely defending the view that Malaysia is a secular state and that any policy changes in the Pakatan can only be made with the mutual agreement of all its component parties.

Reacting to the DAP’s rage over the issue, Mustafa said PAS was also firm on its principle.

Supporting his party elders, PAS Youth chief Nasrudin Hasan Tantawi said the DAP should not immediately object to the idea without understanding the principles behind hudud law.

“Existing man-made laws have failed. It is high time the DAP leaders open their eyes to the hudud, qisas and ta’zir enactments that could help overcome social woes,” added Nasrudin, stressing that Islam emphasises fairness.

“Karpal Singh supports civil laws that allow women to be hanged for dumping babies that lead to death.

“Mothers who kill their own children would not even be tried under the hudud law. They will be subjected to the ta’zir laws where the judge would use his discretion in meting out punishment,” said Nasrudin.

He added that any man who dumps and kills a baby would be liable to the death sentence under the qisas laws - where “an eye for an eye” sort of punishment is applied.

Commenting on the PAS-DAP impasse over the hudud issue, MCA Youth chief Datuk Dr Wee Ka Siong said the two parties had been collaborating as a team and it was strange to hear that, at the same time, the DAP disagrees with PAS.

Dr Wee said Lim also owes the public an explanation over the DAP’s stand.

“Are they (the DAP) playing around with tricks just to get both the Malay and Chinese votes?” he asked.

Meanwhile, Karpal Singh has refuted Nik Aziz’s allegation that he was alone in his stand against hudud law and Islamic state proposed by PAS.

Karpal Singh said Lim had stated their stand that Malaysia was a secular state, and the introduction of hudud law and the setting up of an Islamic state was not Pakatan Rakyat’s policies.

“This statement nails the assertion by Nik Aziz that I was the lone voice in the DAP opposing hudud and Islamic state,” he said in a statement yesterday.